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    • So, referendum is over and Brits voted to leave EU.What is the aftermath of this in your opinion ? What positives and negatives will UK and EU both pull out of this ?
      Is this going to trigger more referendums (of different countries) to follow the same path ?
      Will EU survive in the long run ?

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    • Gιαɴɴιѕ wrote:

      So, referendum is over and Brits voted to leave EU.What is the aftermath of this in your opinion ? What positives and negatives will UK and EU both pull out of this ?
      Is this going to trigger more referendums (of different countries) to follow the same path ?
      Will EU survive in the long run ?


      To know the result, we just need to wait for kapz vs BP war in Alpha come to an end. lol :thumbsup:
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    • I am welsh and voted to leave so good day and for the better in my opinion! As for europe i dont think it will last unless dramatic change happens! I do believe that once we're out and the likes of germany and france have had to pick up some of that slack then they too will rethink whether it is worth it!

      We can clearly see its had a massive impact on both the uk and europe and it may continue to go down but we will both stabilize after the uncertainty and be stronger than before!

      Positives for us is of course the immigration control, our own laws, our own taxes and our own regulations and distribution of funds.

      Negatives are the uncertainty and the re negotiation of all our trading and of course the leaving process.

      In addition we have seen both scotland and NI wanting to leave the uk and stay in the eu which will be bad but we will see how it goes!


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    • I am with you on immigration getting out of hand.Europe went into mess after those waves.

      I am wondering how did you not include economy in negatives ? What is your opinion on the pound right now ?

      And I believe Scotland would vote anything just opposite to what England votes.For some obvious reasons. :tongue:
    • EU will cease to exist within 5 years. Vote was a pushback on Governmental Elites and an example of pushback against Big Government and a loss for Socialism. Will have immense impact on politics in numerous countries, including the USA since Obama campaigned for the stay camp and arguably was the biggest factor in the outcome(he basically insulted Britons in his speech). This vote is a microcosm of the rise of Trump and the left underestimating just how riled up and pissed off this country is at our Government and this vote will be a foreshadowing of whats to come this Fall. I am not a Trump supporter btw but I sympathize with those who do as I understand their motivation.
    • I see I'm again of the opposite opinion of most people :D.

      Couple points:
      - no, this is not the end of the EU. Is it a big setback? Sure, and it will have consequences. Nothing worth ever comes without setbacks because everything easy has already been done (cfr populism and scapegoating minorities).
      - the positives and the negatives are exactly what they are when you make a tribe smaller.
      - it could trigger more referendums... one that is already being worked on is Scotland wanting a new referendum to get out of England and back in the EU lol.

      @darkhelmet:
      - only a loss for socialism if you consider socialism to be the main force against racism, populism and the advent of "strong" leaders, aka dictators.
      - Obama was not the biggest factor in the outcome... that's just plain dumb, I'm sorry.

      You are right that these times are bringing lots of dubious characters to the first rank, people as despicable as trump. These are dumb times, where dumb people that can't even compete against immigrants that have no connections, no wealth and that can't even speak the language, feel like their problems are due to immigrants. Their problem is that in these times, apart from being born a fauntleroy, you need a brain to compete and that has nothing to do with socialism... the world has changed even if some people haven't.

      @all:
      We've already had lots of adventures with "strong" "leaders" that scapegoat minorities to get into power. I just hope we get to make a list of people that vote for those "leaders" so we can send them to fight the wars that may come from that. I'm not dying on a battlefield so that some dumb peace of s*** can muster an erection and/or hide it's ineptitude behind hatred of minorities.

      And well, shouldn't London quit the UK then? I mean, they would get to make their own laws, taxes, get their own control of immigrants and so on. And I guess there are parts of London richer than others... should they then leave?

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    • I think leaving was "literally" (had to make this sentence British enough) dumb.

      Cleaning up this mess is by no means going to be easy for UK and the rest of the world (you'd be a fool to think UK is independent now). Most likely UK will be in an economic crisis for a while, can't estimate the duration. Cost of living will go up, meaning unemployment rising, less babies will see UK etc. And no, I don't see EU disbanding. Trade treaties and customs will now become a tremendous issue, and let's be honest, UK is in a desperate situation leaving little to no room for negotiations. Not to mention inner mess that needs to be dealt with.

      But yea, immigration, laws, taxes and everything else the country wants to control is much easier. But good luck figuring out how to deal with the current situation over tea.
    • Everyone is being so negative about it all and ridiculous about the issues!?

      So yes we may face an economic crisis of some sort but losing jobs? Why there is no basis for this and the cost of living wont go up? There is no need to assume this and create a problem that isn't there!

      As for room for negotiations? Why isnt there room we have a 2 year period roughly and more than enough time to negotiate our trade treaties, do you think for one second europe want to lose us? There not going to say no to one of the richest countries in the world they still wanna trade with us!?

      Referendums? Yes its very likely that both scotland and ireland will want a referendum to leave and i honestly dont know if they will or not but thats just going to leave them worse off aswell. Doubt wales will wanna leave they already wanted out of the eu anyways.

      Simply put we're leaving and this isnt a mess! Its uncertainty sure but we were already there with the eu not knowing if greece was going to fail even more so, not knowing how the eu was going to distribute our funds with the new countries coming in and not having any control of our taxes or laws!!

      All in all it is for the better and anyone who says differently is being both short sighted and afraid of change! No one can tell me that the majority of the uk was benefiting from being in the eu!!

      p.s. sorry about the long essay! :thumbup:


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    • Ikariam should do something about this. This is really serious................... :mellow:

      Xarius wrote:

      Everyone is being so negative about it all and ridiculous about the issues!?
      I'm
      So yes we may face an economic crisis of some sort but losing jobs? Why there is no basis for this and the cost of living wont go up? There is no need to assume this and create a problem that isn't there!

      As for room for negotiations? Why isnt there room we have a 2 year period roughly and more than enough time to negotiate our trade treaties, do you think for one second europe want to lose us? There not going to say no to one of the richest countries in the world they still wanna trade with us!?

      Referendums? Yes its very likely that both scotland and ireland will want a referendum to leave and i honestly dont know if they will or not but thats just going to leave them worse off aswell. Doubt wales will wanna leave they already wanted out of the eu anyways.

      Simply put we're leaving and this isnt a mess! Its uncertainty sure but we were already there with the eu not knowing if greece was going to fail even more so, not knowing how the eu was going to distribute our funds with the new countries coming in and not having any control of our taxes or laws!!

      All in all it is for the better and anyone who says differently is being both short sighted and afraid of change! No one can tell me that the majority of the uk was benefiting from being in the eu!!

      p.s. sorry about the long essay! :thumbup:
    • Yes, you have a 2 year period which is a very short time in politics. Half of UK's export goes to Europe, so Europe's regulations would still somewhat, if not entirely, apply. Plus new trade deals would not come anywhere as good as they were, not with Europe atleast, because EU would want to discourage this sort of behaviour.

      And London (was against leaving), one of the biggest financial centres for international business, will now get a few extra layers of "trouble", if we consider travel. And UK wants to be part of The European Single Market, but that won't be likely without freedom of travel, work etc. Or these privilages can be aquired for a high cost. So your funds, that you so don't want to distribute to help Greece for example, then you'd still be contributing that amount (maybe less but maybe even more) to the EU for it's privilages.

      Scotland and Northern Ireland will decide what's best for them, but there is a rather considerable chance of them breaking apart from UK, thus demolishing the United part. Sure they will be worse off too, but consider EUs support to them (showing the world that UK made a mistake, that EU is a good place). I'm quite sure EU would take them in. And they would want to join simply because it would be too costly to be out of the Union. Yes, Britain can support itself, but for how long?

      But nonetheless, there will be little changes in every day life for most European citizens and UK citizens for these 2 years. I applaude your decision to boldly refuse to take in immigrates, but running away from the issue is by no means going to portray a good image of UK to the rest of the world.

      I am in no means short sighted, change can be good, but please explain how this change will benefit the world? and while you're at it, the UK too? And since the vote was pretty much even, this decision screwed over half of the nations people? So how will UK deal with inner struggles and potential outbursts?

      Btw, the referendum was advisory, not mandatory - so there is a chance in two years, if negotiations don't go anywhere that UK will remain in the EU.

      Okey, I think I am done with this discussion. In my eyes it's a bad decision but I'm rather naive to most of the world anyway, so reader's discretion is advised.

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    • Anyone that thinkg the UK wont be able to support itself both now and in the future is just crazy.

      This country regardless whether of NI and Scotland remaining has always been and will always be a powerhouse of the world.

      Were financially, economically and socially a very strong country and leaving the EU will NOT change that.

      Yes it wasn't a massive win but nearly 2 million people more voted to leave! not to mention the vast majority of both wales and England wanted to leave and it was more NI, Scotland and London that wanted to stay!

      I cant be bothered to argue the point the british people have voted for what they wanted and got it! Can only be onward and upwards from here on for us!


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    • Gotta say this; if that majority is like that British girl explaining her vote by chicken and eggs, then you do have something to worry about. :tongue:
      On another note, I know secession of Scotland would not be a problem; in terms of economy, Scotland does not make much of UK`s overall economy.In fact, Scotland lives thanks to UK economy.

      Scottish people would not benefit with secession, the only thing they get is to be proud with their independence.A lot of people were happy with independence, yet the quality of life went down.
    • Excellent decision was brexit, the ftse 100 is already higher than it was last week. It's going to be good for us is brexit, open up to the world, the EU was very protectionist and inward looking, 28 nations can't agree on stuff most of the time. Now we're open to business from the world, and we will become more democratic, suggestions of Proprtional representation system coming in and regional governments can only be a good thing. If Scotland and Northern Ireland leave it's a price I'd be willing to pay, they really are just a small part of our great nation in terms of the economy and military, it wouldn't be long afterwards that we'd overtake France again.
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    • One of the most stupid decision in this century (stupid voters - only after published results they realized what had they done and started to regret).

      Worse can be only Trump elected as president. :dash:
      "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
      (c) Albert Einstein
    • I smell WW3. Britian leaves EU, Scottish leave Britian, EU Goes down the drain, Donald trump becomes U S president, Donald severe tie's with Europe and Asia causing world leaders to Condemn President trump. Trump get really upset and declares war on them for his new T.V show, and he marries Lindsey Lohan and they both do drugs and accidently nuke the world.

      No?



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      One of the most stupid decision in this century (stupid voters - only after published results they realized what had they done and started to regret).

      Worse can be only Trump elected as president. :dash: